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been extended -- no one exactly knows where it goes from there. >> right. >> if obama has more appointments and if the conservatives don't have the power that they do now, that could be contained. it could be applied only to handguns. but if president romney had had the opportunity or president paul ryan in a few years gets the opportunity to appoint justices to the supreme court, that could be expanded. the limits of the second amendment are not clear at this point. the supreme court has not really spoken on it. that's one of the reasons why it's so important, who appoints whom to the supreme court. >> at what point is gun violence in america a public health threat, right? you talk about the freedom, the freedoms we have in this country where the public health risk, 30 some thousand people killed every year. cdc says it's $38 billion, the cost of society of gun violence. >> what's so astonishing about the debate of gun violence, it's different from the '90s when i first started covering this issue. you have people arguing very seriously now that the way to stop or limit gun vi
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